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[eqnjumperrider]

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[This message was edited by eqnjumperrider on Sep. 28, 2003 at 04:17 PM.]

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[This message was edited by eqnjumperrider on Sep. 28, 2003 at 04:17 PM.]

[deltawave]

Hmmm, if your question is one of genuine curiosity, maybe you could be a little more specific (and factual) in your question? To what type of injuries are you referring? At what level of eventing? Compared to what? Why is an injury suffered by a horse "cruelty"? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

If, OTOH, you're trolling in some retaliatory gesture for the current brouhaha on the H/J BB...*sigh*...no doubt you will get lots of indignant responses, insults hurled at you, feathers ruffled, fodder for endless petty quibbling...whoopee, have at it.

Hey, I've had days where I've wanted to stir up trouble, too. Days when I've had a chip on my shoulder. Ultimately, though, these threads wind up being sad and depressing and fruitless. Why bother? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif

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[This message was edited by deltawave on Sep. 26, 2003 at 08:43 PM.]

[ideayoda]

Where did you get that information? I dont think it is true. Race/Steeplechase horses certainly would have more, and what about jumpers? Perhaps they just have the most publicized ones. And any horse galloping on will have the most likelihood of going fanny over teacup as they become fatigued and then try to jump as well. However, I think that the most educated riders at getting the horses fit are the three day riders.

I.D.E.A. yoda

[Phaxxton]

First, hope you are trolling - because you're probably in for some curt responses to your question. If you are honestly curious - I think you have mistaken information.

First of all, I do not think that event horses are the horses who "most often have serious injuries." As compared to what? Certainly not racing (just an example, NOT a flame for those who race!!). Where are you getting this assertion from? Horses in all disciplines, particularly at high levels, are at a risk of injuries of varying degrees of severity.

So, what exactly is the point of your question? Are you seriously trying to equate eventing with cruelty? If so, why do you think this way? I can only imagine you think this way because you are ignorant about the sport and about the amount of time, training, and conditioning that goes into eventing. If any discipline in which a horse has the potential to be injured was considered cruelty then riding in general would just be cruel.

I have to say that the vast majority of eventers are among the best horsepeople I've ever met. Yes, the sport is difficult and strenuous, but in general eventers are knowledgeable people who know how to keep their horses fit, safe, and sound for their discipline. Regardless, accidents do happen, but they happen in all disciplines from jumpers to hunting to dressage to reining to barrel racing (get the idea?).

Just want to warn you that your post WILL ruffle some feathers, but I'm pretty sure that the hardcore eventers on this board will be able to intelligently respond to your inquiry to defend their sport and explain to you why it's not cruel.

Why did you pick eventing to pick on, anyway?

[Erin]

My guess is that this is "revenge" for a certain topic posted by an eventer on the H/J board. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Don't feed the trolls.

Would anyone like a beer? (I'd offer chocolate, mini quiches or Peeps, but a beer seems more appropriate over here. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif )

[goobs]

Well I don't think we don't care about cruelty. We are not cruel to our horses at all. In fact, quiet the opposite. We certainly do care about cruelty to horses (and I am sure other animals) and that is why we treat our horses with the utmost love and care that we can often times sacrificing a LOT for ourselves just so our partners in this sport will be well cared for and happy. If you are suggesting that we are "cruel" to our horses by taking them cross country, then I really beg to differ. If a horse does not like going cross country you will know in a hearbeat. Finding a horse that is happy and willing and enjoys going cross country is actually far from being cruel. You cannot force a huge animal to do something you do not want to do. My definition of animal cruelty is willful neglect of an animal; beating them senseless with blunt objects, tying them up for hours at a time until they pass out, etc. I don't think eventers do that! If they did we wouldn't have a horse that we would be able to ride, now would we?

Eventing is a strong bond of partnership between a horse and rider. Accidents happen, that is part of any sport. My horses love me and I love them. They trust me and I trust them. We have a lot of fun together especially when we do cross country whether it's a show or practicing at home. I am always keeping a sharp eye out for injuries or soreness and most times it's ME that is injured or sore! I put myself second to them. Everytime I go into the barn their heads pop out and they give me a low whinney, they watch me whenever I am around. So, I don't understand why you are saying such things to us.

[BarbB]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Erin:
My guess is that this is "revenge" for a certain topic posted by an eventer on the H/J board. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Don't feed the trolls.

Would anyone like a beer? (I'd offer chocolate, mini quiches or Peeps, but a beer seems more appropriate over here. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif )<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Beer is more appropriate! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif
Pull up a chair at ringside, Erin, and enjoy the show.
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BarbB

...virtue shall be bound into the hair of thy forelock... I have given thee the power of flight without wings

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[Erin]

I've got a Copperhead Ale from Rams Head Tavern, just down the street here from me in beautiful, soggy Annapolis. But I will trade two Copperheads for a Guinness or Bass if anyone has one. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Pretzels, popcorn, anyone?

[Schatten]

hey guys, read some of eqnjumperriders other posts...

i think troll and spoiled brat are two (well, three http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif) good words.

http://community.webshots.com/user/lskel84

[Phaxxton]

way to go on the research schatten02! Had I noticed the trend, I wouldn't have wasted the prescious minutes responding. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

If dressage does not relax the horse, then it is not correct dressage. - RdL

[abcdefg]

You know...I shouldn't feed the trolls. But I just couldn't resist....fortunately this troll can only blow off bubbles and hot air....no serious danger involved.

ARE YOU SERIOUS??????? YOU ARE A PIECE OF WORK. Why don't you do some research, find some statistics and get a freaking life???????

And I think, as an eventer, I would be most happy if you didn't post here....it would be great, and save everyone a lot of time and effort...and I could sing "ding dong the witch is dead," which, every time i read your posts, is what i hope...that your idiotic, snobbish, ridicuolous posts DIE and DIE quickly.

[Magnolia]

Because eventers eat BOTH baby quiche and baby carrots which makes them cold blooded insane hooligans.

Oh, and they all eat PEEPS head first. That too.

The witchy witch witch of south central NC.

[eqnjumperrider]

Take yourselves and your yahoo riding and keep it on this board, and don't start trouble on the H/J board. Thanks, and have a nice day. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

[eqnjumperrider]

Oh ya, I did do research. I think most people would consider horses flipping off banks and breaking their legs over the solid jumps as a little cruel, but maybe not. Also, if eventing is not cruel, why would the IOC consider not making an olympic sport sans the cost of the course?

[Erin]

*pop*

fizzzzzz

Gulp, gulp, gulp.

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[BarbB]

pass the popcorn
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BarbB

...virtue shall be bound into the hair of thy forelock... I have given thee the power of flight without wings

Tapestry (http://www.tapestry659.50megs.com/)

[abcdefg]

I think I'm gunna bow out and order some Domino's pizza....
Cheers!

[JAGold]

Ah, the advantages of going to school in wannabe England, USA. Guinness available at the bar in the basement. (The only place open after 9 pm, mind you, but at least convenient...) --Jess

[goobs]

okay now I feel like a total moron for responding to this AND to her post on the h/j thread.

I;m gonna go out and beat my horses senseless right now and then take 'em out for a hair raising ride on the trails at midnight, after drinking a case of Black Label piss water.

[Phaxxton]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by eqnjumperrider:
Take yourselves and your yahoo riding and keep it on this board, and don't start trouble on the H/J board. Thanks, and have a nice day. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just as you are trying to retaliate against an entire group for the inquiry of one, we'll take your ignorance and attitude as characteristic of YOU and not your entire discipline. Funny, I believe the one argument on that thread about "what's the point of hunter shows" was that the hunters at least had class. Hmmm....

And quite frankly, I showed A hunters for years before turning to dressage and eventing, and after reading your reply on the "what's the point of hunter shows" thread, I can see that you have a good knowledge of how difficult hunters is, but you are QUITE ignorant about eventing. Know why eventers don't go around their stadium and cross country courses like hunters? - BECAUSE IT'S NOT HUNTERS - form follows function in eventing, and you obviously don't want to learn about it, so I won't bother with the lecture. But if all you see if horses flipping over and bad riding you don't see enough eventing. And you certainly don't understand it. It's a different discipline and the horses are expected to move and jump differently and the riders are expected to ride differently. "well" to hunters and "well" to eventers are two different things. Both sports have merit, but they are incredibly different sports.

For the record, I'd love to see the "stats" you are referring to, and I'd also like to point out that there are blatant factual mistakes and misrepresentations in your post on the H/J board. You are good to defend your discipline, but don't lecture to experienced eventers on a subject about which you know little to nothing.

BTW, what kind of research did you do if all you can cite to us that horses have flipped over? I had a horse flip over on me while riding hunters when he caught a rail. Guess hunters is cruel, too. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Sh*t happens in all disciplines.


"Pass me a cold one, I'm just gettin' warmed up!"

[DizzyMagic]

Not particularly for the troll, but just for us eventers:

I volunteered at a rescue for several years when I first got into horses. I saw many, many discarded horses, from a variety of disciplines. There were 8 year old navicular cow ponies, innumerable neglected backyard horses, some very nice and lame dressage horses that were subsequently discarded, but most of the appalling cases of horses just being used up and thrown away came from the hunter-jumper world. It took me many years to lose my bias against the h-j world after that experience, after I got more into the horse world and discovered that there are many, many good and responsible horse people in that discipline.

I never did encounter a discarded/abused/neglected event horse at the rescue. Never met one until I went to an eventing barn. I still maintain that eventers are the creme de la creme of horse people. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Emily

"It is not because things are difficult that we do not dare, it is because we do not dare that they are difficult" - Seneca

[eqnjumperrider]

I wasn't suggesting that Cross country horses should go like hunters. I do equitation and jumpers. As to the flipping over comment: yes, I think it is cruel to make horses jump off huge banks into water, jump over SOLID obstacles, and be worked into the ground. I think it is cruel that they don't get releases in the air, and I think it is cruel that riders put their horses in such situations.

[goobs]

eh? No habla ingles.

[Erin]

Well, you just go right on thinking that. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

*pat pat pat* on eqnjumperrider's head

Now, I must go clean all my tack so I can get up at 5 a.m. and go abuse my cheap little OTTB at a beginner novice event, where we will *GASP* risk our lives by jumping solid obstacles and may *DOUBLE GASP* even jump off evil banks!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[titan]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Erin:
*pop*

fizzzzzz

Gulp, gulp, gulp.

http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Burrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrp!

http://www.positivestepfarm.com

[Phaxxton]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by eqnjumperrider:
...be worked into the ground.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What? Not true, not the norm.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I think it is cruel that they don't get releases in the air<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

They DO get releases in the air - you are either too uneducated to discern it in the pics you are looking at or you are looking at the wrong pics. I wish someone would post that pic again - of the pro jumping out of water... where her horse took off a stride early out of the water and she got left behind - and there was still a loop in the reins - didn't even catch the horse's mouth. My god, of course we release. If you're seeing people NOT releasing, it's as much of a mistake as it is in hunters.

As for jumping solid obstacles - hunters has its origins in field hunting - also solid obstacles.

As for putting our horses insuch situations... I know some horsepeople who think it's cruel to make horses jump, some people who think it's cruel to ride horses, and h*ll PETA thinks it's cruel to even own horses. Eventers don't train their horses like hunters do - you obviously don't understand the amount of training and conditioning that goes into creating a good event mount.

And we've yet to see your research. If all you did was try to look up info on the internet to support your naive claim, then I'm affraid it won't hold water here.

Anyway, I'm done with this thread - done trying to explain this sport to someone who doesn't understand it and isn't open to understanding it. Your holier-than-thou attitude it quite unbecoming. It's been fun, but you know what - I'm not going to change your mind and you won't change mine.

If dressage does not relax the horse, then it is not correct dressage. - RdL

[Erin]

Phaxxton, it's not worth it. Beer? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Phaxxton]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Erin:
Phaxxton, it's not worth it. Beer? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Brought my own, thanks. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Ah, I know it's not worth it, but it's been an amusing way to spend an evening at home. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif I, too, have to get up early to go abuse my horse, so I'd best be going. I wouldn't want to be tired or I might not put us in enough danger.

(burp)

[eqnjumperrider]

this looks soooooooo humane.. http://www.sport-horses.org/pictures/pictures_crashers_4.shtml

http://www.sport-horses.org/pictures/pictures_crashers_7.shtml

http://www.sport-horses.org/pictures/pictures_of_horses_5.shtml

http://www.sport-horses.org/pictures/pictures_of_horses_17.shtml

[JAGold]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by eqnjumperrider:
I do equitation and jumpers. As to the flipping over comment: yes, I think it is cruel to make horses jump off huge banks into water, jump over SOLID obstacles, and be worked into the ground. I think it is cruel that they don't get releases in the air, and I think it is cruel that riders put their horses in such situations.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I really shouldn't bother. But on the off chance that eqnjumperrider really cares, here goes...

Get your information straight!

<UL TYPE=SQUARE>
<LI>At the higher levels, jumper courses can also incorporate banks. I'm sorry that you haven't had the opportunity or attained the ability to attempt one yet.
<LI>H/J has its origins in foxhunting, where of course the obstacles are solid.
<LI>Event horses are conditioned and monitored more carefully than any equine athletes save, possibly, endurance horses. Do you know your horse's normal resting temperature and pulse? Do you know the same figures for your horse after work, and how long it takes him to cool off? I do -- because I am meticulous about conditioning.
<LI>That gem LTD, "lunge to death," is not a product of the eventing world...
<LI>Perhaps you've noticed many skillful, sucessful jumper riders incorporating the automatic release or following hand. It's strongly advocated by George Morris, and implemented tactfully by many event riders on XC.
<LI>Such situations -- like the barn of the top-level competitor where I rode for the last two years? Where the horses live in 14x14 stalls, are on customized feed programs, have their stalls picked three times a day, see the country's preeminent vet, are shod by a Team farrier, get at least 6 hours of turnout in large, grassy fields every day, and are ridden by people who know every personality quirk, the history of every old scrape, and are absolutely devoted to their care and wellbeing?
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Get a life, eqnjumperrider. No one dicipline is inherently better than another, but people who have diarrhea of the mouth are never good company. --Jess

[goobs]

PHAXXTON! I am shocked! You give your horses releases? I certainly do not! My reins are the standard eventer issue length of 6 inches enforcing the "NO RELEASE EVER" technique that most eventers subscribe to.

I've worked my horse so hard into the ground that she walks around on nubs. This way when I force her over the banks (which, eqinjumperwhateveryournameis, if you have ever had the extreme pleasure of doing with your horse) and she refuses then I don't have too far to fall.

[eqnjumperrider]

Hehe, ya I do banks and water jumps lol.. I guess Junior Jumpers isn't good enough for you. The banks are not 10 feet high and logs, and the water jumpers are about a foot deep, and not built up.

[DizzyMagic]

Personally I think equitation is cruel. Give me an evil bank or a solid obstacle any day of the week.

http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

"It is not because things are difficult that we do not dare, it is because we do not dare that they are difficult" - Seneca

[Erin]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by goobs:

I've worked my horse so hard into the ground that she walks around on nubs. This way when I force her over the banks (which, eqinjumperwhateveryournameis, if you have ever had the extreme pleasure of doing with your horse) and she refuses then I don't have too far to fall.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

'Scuse me while I wipe the beer off my monitor. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[DizzyMagic]

Wow, I checked out those links and this one is really amazing: http://www.sport-horses.org/pictures/pictures_crashers_5.shtml

In the second picture, the rider is absolutely hidden behind the horse, and then reappears in the third. You couldn't plan a photography sequence like that if you tried!

[goobs]

you do banks and water? Oh phew, I thought you said it was cruel to do so in your earlier post. Oh wait, I get it now. It's OKAY for YOU to force your horse into water and to jump off banks but not for us right?

You are a total trip!!! I love it! Keep on trolling 'cuz you are doing such a FAB JOB!

[Phaxxton]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by goobs:
PHAXXTON! I am shocked! You give your horses releases? I certainly do not! My reins are the standard eventer issue length of 6 inches enforcing the "NO RELEASE EVER" technique that most eventers subscribe to.

I've worked my horse so hard into the ground that she walks around on nubs. This way when I force her over the banks (which, eqinjumperwhateveryournameis, if you have ever had the extreme pleasure of doing with your horse) and she refuses then I don't have too far to fall.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

OMG. OMG - I've been doing it WRONG? Crap, better head out to the barn NOW, while the two beers are still effective so that I can abuse my horse extra and practice not releasing. Maybe I should practice making him fall, too... Althought, it appears that it is also cruel if just the humans fall off, as evidenced by the pics, I think it's far crueler when the horse falls. And, after all, isn't that what all us eventers aspire to?

Anyone have any good tips on how I can be crueler to my horse? I mean, I have to make up for the fact that he eats the highest quality feed, had a 14x14 stall, 12 hours of turnout a day, professional training, exceptional vet and farrier care, and a lifelong home. Have to balance all that out, of course! My strictly DRESSAGE horse is sadly off, so I have extra time to run my eventer into the ground.

Oops - time for another beer....

If dressage does not relax the horse, then it is not correct dressage. - RdL

[Erin]

Hmm. Notice that the horse trots away happy as a clam, and the rider is the one who's swimming in the mud puddle.

RIDER ABUSE! RIDER ABUSE!!!

[DizzyMagic]

and as for this one:
http://www.sport-horses.org/pictures/pictures_crashers_6.shtml

I can only say this...there are fools, damn fools, and fools who won't let go of the reins!

[Phaxxton]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Erin:
Hmm. Notice that the horse trots away happy as a clam, and the rider is the one who's swimming in the mud puddle.

RIDER ABUSE! RIDER ABUSE!!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Erin, don't be silly, when the rider falls off it is horse abuse - but at a low level. It's the Beginner Novice of cruelty. This is practice for making the horse fall later (think Training/Prelim) and then the Advanced cruelty movement - flipping your horse over. Sound like we could both use a little practice!

If dressage does not relax the horse, then it is not correct dressage. - RdL

[DizzyMagic]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Phaxxton:
It's the Beginner Novice of cruelty. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LMAO!!

[eqnjumperrider]

So, I guess none of you think this is cruel http://www.sport-horses.org/pictures/pictures_crashers_4.shtml.. Also, why is the IOC considering taking eventing out of the olympics?

[DizzyMagic]

Does nobody ever let go of the reins?

http://www.sport-horses.org/pictures/pictures_of_horses_18.shtml
http://www.sport-horses.org/pictures/pictures_crashers_7.shtml

[SomeHorse123]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by eqnjumperrider:
Take yourselves and your yahoo riding and keep it on this board, and don't start trouble on the H/J board. Thanks, and have a nice day. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Gee... couldn't the same statement be said to you? Let's edit it shall we?

Take yourself and your yahoo riding and keep it on the H/J board, and don't start trouble on the eventing board. Thanks, and have a nice day. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

Besides, your "cruelty" pictures are hardly that. I have seen some pretty bad crashes in the hunter/jumper ring. So couldn't we call you cruel? But we won't because it happens and will happen until horses become machines that never make a mistake and are incapable to think for themselves and be influenced by their rider.

Oh well... everyone's a hypocrite.

- SomeHorse123

[DizzyMagic]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by eqnjumperrider:
So, I guess none of you think this is cruel http://www.sport-horses.org/pictures/pictures_crashers_4.shtml.. Also, why is the IOC considering taking eventing out of the olympics?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

See, if you're going to use the IOC/cruelty alignment, why is equitation NOT an Olympic sport?? As I said earlier, because it's cruel!!! And possibly because it's painfully boring for horse, rider, and spectator...

[eqnjumperrider]

It's nice on the horses that if a rider makes a mistake the jump falls down, and the horse doesn't get stuck between big logs http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[baileygreyhorse]

Just because you don't have the *guts* to try something outside of your controlled environment, don't come bash those who do.
Bless your heart...

http://community.webshots.com/user/pnekman

[eqnjumperrider]

Dizzy- I mostly do jumpers now, but actually think about it. What is more cruel, dressage or equitation http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gifAt least the eq horses don't go around in bradoons, and double bridles with spurs that are huge, and cranked in a frame..

[eqnjumperrider]

HAHAH LMAO, Bailey, go jump around a high junior jumper class on a hot horse and then we can talk.. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

[DizzyMagic]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by eqnjumperrider:
Dizzy- I mostly do jumpers now, but actually think about it. What is more cruel, dressage or equitation http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gifAt least the eq horses don't go around in bradoons, and double bridles with spurs that are huge, and cranked in a frame..<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Please oh please go post this on the dressage forum, because I am so bored tonight and they could do so much with this!

[LBlue]

Guys, calm down. Read some of eqnjumperslobwhateverhernameis's other posts. Just an uneducated troll, trying to stir people up.

Personally, I have seen more unsound horses that are products of the hunter/equitation world than from eventing.

BTW, the pictures posted are mostly just horses stopping and their riders falling off on the other side, same thing happens in hunters, jumpers, and equitation.

[Phaxxton]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by eqnjumperrider:
It's nice on the horses that if a rider makes a mistake the jump falls down, and the horse doesn't get stuck between big logs http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Very naive argument. Yeah, if you took your jumper out on a x-country course, you'd be in serious trouble, but eventers are trained to jump these obstacles. Unfortunately, accidents can and do happen, but they can and do happen in every discipline. The worst fall I ever took was in the hunter ring. My horse caught a rail with his hind legs, got caught up in two poles when they fell and he flipped right over on top of me. Don't act like accidents don't happen in hunters...

Oh man, out of beer AGAIN... why am I still posting on this thread?....

If dressage does not relax the horse, then it is not correct dressage. - RdL

[eqnjumperrider]

Ugh, and the eventers have the UGLIEST outfits EVER... The horses are hysterical to watch do the stadium phase, and it is sooooo lame how you can still fall off and win.

[Erin]

Please, shield your eyes if you have a weak stomach. I now share with you a very disturbing picture of Equitation Abuse.

[Row Wisco, Row!]

Before I start in--HAVE NO FEAR!!! I have been drinking for many hours now. TGIF!! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif Have any of my friends afar ever partaken in Spotted Cow? It is quite good-a WI specialty.

Now, my poor (rich), confused little child....

DID I NOT GIVE YOU A SUFFICIENT VERBAL LASHING LAST TIME WE MET IN A POST?

Some people just never learn.... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Do you know of a man named George Morris, Eqn? What is your stance on him--please enlighten us! I think you'd be interested in his multiple ties to the 'cruelty' of eventing.

Now run along and play in the streets of Rancho So Fake. And watch out for flying bottles http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

P.S. How was your uber important trip to the Hinterland this past summer to get yourself some 'decent horses'?

To be great is to dare to rise above the sea of mediocrity and surround yourself by the elite... To be excellent is to never give in to the mental weakness or fear.

[SomeHorse123]

And just how can you talk? I think I will need to see some proof of your very humane, finessed, and graceful rounds at a high junior jumper class. If your so great, why no pictures?

I really really want to see someone who posesses such wonderful riding qualities. Oh please oh please oh please http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

- SomeHorse123

[Phaxxton]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by eqnjumperrider:
What is more cruel, dressage or equitation http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gifAt least the eq horses don't go around in bradoons, and double bridles with spurs that are huge, and cranked in a frame..<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

OMG, if ever there was a quote showing the true naivite and ignorance of the starter of this thread.... You obviously have NO clue what dressage is all about. (not to mention eventing, but we established that already)

If dressage does not relax the horse, then it is not correct dressage. - RdL

[eqnjumperrider]

O http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gifh Erin, did I recall you saying something along the lines of not dissing other disciplines.... haha the kettle calling the pot black. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

[Erin]

OK, you have made one good point... I will admit the outfits are ugly. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif But at least we don't have to wear hairnets and shellack our hair down around our ears. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[eqnjumperrider]

Row-Wisco-Rowl- quote&lt;Now run along and play in the streets of Rancho So Fake. And watch out for flying bottles &gt; end quote.. Oh, so now you are dissing RSF.. Sorry that you can't afford to live here, but don't make fun of it http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Row Wisco, Row!]

You couldn't PAY ME to live there, kiddo.

To much trash like you spoils my good times! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

By the way, you have NO idea who I am or what I do or how much money I make, so you'd better check yourself. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

To be great is to dare to rise above the sea of mediocrity and surround yourself by the elite... To be excellent is to never give in to the mental weakness or fear.

[sfir]

I finally had to chime in but did it over on the HJ board. Please do note that the person that started this thread is quite young and obviously has alot yet to learn.
Ruthie

suwanneefarm.com

[abcdefg]

ROFLMAO.
Eqnjumperrider- you are priceless. If I ever have the chance to buy a mount for you, it will be exactly that.....a mount...maybe in 10 years, when you get a brain and a life, you can upgrade to a holstein cow.
And keep posting..I'm not outta beer yet bucko!

[DizzyMagic]

Sorry guys, I am still on the cruel eventing pics website...but is there a fence anywhere in this pic? What's he stopping at?!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

http://www.sport-horses.org/pictures/pictures_of_horses_7.shtml

[bounce]

OMG!!! My first experience with utter lunacy!

Doesn't the double twisted wire bit, and the bicycle chain come from the hunter world? Aren't we eventers required to go in a snaffle for dressage... until we are skilled enough (at the higher levels) to ride in a double?

Aren't the jumpers the ones that careen around the courses like bats out of h#$%. (sorry to those of you that are GOOD jumper riders! I am guessing that eqnjumperrider is NOT!!)

[Mary in Area 1]

I am so sorry guys. I made a terrible mistake and went and tried to play with the kids on the wrong side of the tracks. I apologized, picked up my toys and ran home, but alas, they have followed me here.

I must admit, though, I've enjoyed how clever, truthful and CLASSY your responses have been. The H/J people did not play as nicely.

[eqnjumperrider]

Ick, I would hate living in Wisconsin.. I guess some people like the midwest... YUCK.. Hicks.

[ponygrl]

In that pic hes refusing you can barely see the base of the fence in the left corner. BUT he appears to be turned out like hes doing a jumper class...

Laura

[eqnjumperrider]

Bounce- Ya, I'm sure I do suck.. High juniors is for people who suck. Jumping a course of 4'9 is for us beginners. LMAO

[Erin]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by eqnjumperrider:
O http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gifh Erin, did I recall you saying something along the lines of not dissing other disciplines.... haha the kettle calling the pot black. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, it was established on the H/J thread that it's okay to bash another discipline if they come onto YOUR forum and bash you first. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

[baileygreyhorse]

So sad that one so young can be so mean. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif
I am so glad that you love your "high juniors". The sport needs more like you who will defend what they love, even if it makes them sound like a total moron.
Bless your heart, again. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://community.webshots.com/user/pnekman

[eqnjumperrider]

Rowl- and ya, i don't know what you do, or how much you make, but by looking up the real estate in your area, and seeing the houses are only from 130k-1 mil, I would say you could by a shack in RSF for maybe a million.

[Janet]

Only read the first and last pages.

It is my distinct impression that the "anti cruelty" rules are more rigorously enforced in eventing than in the other USAEq disciplines. I regurly read the "rules violators" column in the USAEq magazine, and I have never seen a penalty handed down in hunter, jumpers, dressage. But I HAVE seen it handed down in eventing.

Janet
chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle, and Brain

[bounce]

If you've got a horse that can jump... all you've got to do is hang on... yank, turn, yank, turn... hang on again!

Oh... and I forgot, release.

Do you ride your horse 6 days a week... or do you have your "trainer" do it??

[SomeHorse123]

* Is still waiting for some proof of your "accomplishments" *

- SomeHorse123

[Erin]

Keep going, eqn, you're doing an even better job than WE are in bolstering your standing as someone whose opinion should be respected. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[eqnjumperrider]

BOunce, I ride Tuesday- Sunday, and I hack several green horses, and ride my horse. My trainer rides my horse maybe once every two months or so.

[Phaxxton]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by eqnjumperrider:
Rowl- and ya, i don't know what you do, or how much you make, but by looking up the real estate in your area, and seeing the houses are only from 130k-1 mil, I would say you could by a shack in RSF for maybe a million.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm sorry did you mistake the people on this board for ones who CARE how much money your PARENTS have?

If dressage does not relax the horse, then it is not correct dressage. - RdL

[BarbB]

You guys ate all the popcorn while I was gone!!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

ERIN! aren't you a moderator - they ate alllll the popcorn!!!

oh, and speaking of abuse......I was doing a little walk/trot warm up with my EVENTER yesterday and he bucked like a bronc, dumped me in the dirt and ran off kicking up his heels......now THAT's abuse!

popcorn.....popcorn......have to have popcorn to watch the show.......... http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif

BarbB

...virtue shall be bound into the hair of thy forelock... I have given thee the power of flight without wings

Tapestry (http://www.tapestry659.50megs.com/)

[eqnjumperrider]

No, but Rowl was making fun of where I live. So if where she lives is so great then why is it so cheap, and in the midwest YUCK..

[baileygreyhorse]

OH, Rowl was making fun...
Boo. Cry.
Hmmmm
Still bless your heart because it looks like you need it.

http://community.webshots.com/user/pnekman

[Phaxxton]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by eqnjumperrider:
No, but Rowl was making fun of where I live. So if where she lives is so great then why is it so cheap, and in the midwest YUCK..<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You've got quite a bit to learn about life, kiddo. I'd go into the concepts of "costs of living" analysis, etc. but why waste my masters in economics here when I really should be out abusing my horse? And so what if she's not as rich as your parents are? Do you really think money makes you happy or important?

(bbuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrpppppppp)
Pass me another beer, please, Erin! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

If dressage does not relax the horse, then it is not correct dressage. - RdL

[bounce]

Well... you better give it up now... because with your attitude, you will NOT be a professional rider when you GROW UP! It takes a whole lot of tact and common sense to be an adult... and you are sadly lacking. Isn't it past your bedtime?

[Erin]

Beer and popcorn run!

Oh wait, we're eventers and none of us have any money, cuz we spent it all on three sets of tack and ugly outfits to ride in.

But hey! We're yahoos! We'll go STEAL some popcorn and beer! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[eqnjumperrider]

No, unfortunately it's too early to go out still.

[baileygreyhorse]

Oh that's right. The really cool people don't go out until at least 8pm..... in middle school.

http://community.webshots.com/user/pnekman

[eqnjumperrider]

No, parties don't start till around 10... Although Bailey, you wouldn't know being that you are sitting home on a Friday night when it is 11 your time.

[Mary in Area 1]

Just for fun, my daughter went to the big Manchester jumper show last summer. She events at prelim and had never been to a jumper show in her life. She did 3 classes, a 3'6" childrens/Adult jumper, a 4' jumper class and a high Junior jumper class. She won 2 out of 3 of them http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

[BarbB]

oohhhh don't go!

we're getting more popcorn and beer......

http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

BarbB

...virtue shall be bound into the hair of thy forelock... I have given thee the power of flight without wings

Tapestry (http://www.tapestry659.50megs.com/)

[eqnjumperrider]

Mary, High's are 4'6-4'9, not 4 ft

[SomeHorse123]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by eqnjumperrider:
No, parties don't start till around 10...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

I quit. I cannot even lower myself far enough to be able to communicate with someone so immature.

- SomeHorse123

[baileygreyhorse]

I'm so impressed. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sleepy.gif
But I guess I will let this train wreck go on without me. I have an event in the morning and I have to be good and rested so I can abuse my horse all day. It really does take incredible arm strength to jump with no release and make them flip over that way.
Play nice kids. Remember, if you hurt the trolls, they won't come back for us to play with again.http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

http://community.webshots.com/user/pnekman

[Phaxxton]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mary in Area 1:
Just for fun, my daughter went to the big Manchester jumper show last summer. She events at prelim and had never been to a jumper show in her life. She did 3 classes, a 3'6" childrens/Adult jumper, a 4' jumper class and a high Junior jumper class. She won 2 out of 3 of them http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

might I draw your attention to the AND in that sentence? She did the 4' jumper class AND the high junior jumper class.

If dressage does not relax the horse, then it is not correct dressage. - RdL

[Phaxxton]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by baileygreyhorse:
I'm so impressed. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sleepy.gif
But I guess I will let this train wreck go on without me. I have an event in the morning and I have to be good and rested so I can abuse my horse all day. It really does take incredible arm strength to jump with no release and make them flip over that way.
Play nice kids. Remember, if you hurt the trolls, they won't come back for us to play with again.http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

http://community.webshots.com/user/pnekman<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

GOOD LUCK TOMORROW!!! And remember - reins 6 inches long at all times - when in doubt, do NOT release and flip your horse over!!!!

If dressage does not relax the horse, then it is not correct dressage. - RdL

[baileygreyhorse]

Got it, chief! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

http://community.webshots.com/user/pnekman

[eqnjumperrider]

Phaxxton- One with reasonable intelligence would know that one would not generally go from a 4 ft class to a 4'6-4'9 class. I find that hard to believe, but whatever floats her boat. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[eqnjumperrider]

Also in regards to my last post, most A, AA, AAA shows don't allow people to cross enter from Children's to High's..

[Phaxxton]

You're right, I bet she made it up because she felt like she really had something to prove to YOU.

But hey, if it makes you feel better to insult my intelligence, go ahead. I don't put too much stock into what you think of me.

If dressage does not relax the horse, then it is not correct dressage. - RdL

[eqnjumperrider]

Originally posted by Mary in Area 1:
Just for fun, my daughter went to the big Manchester jumper show last summer. She events at prelim and had never been to a jumper show in her life. She did 3 classes, a 3'6" childrens/Adult jumper, a 4' jumper class and a high Junior jumper class. She won 2 out of 3 of them

What show was that, most A/AA/AAA shows don't allow cross entry from Children's to High Jrs., and one would wonder why one good enough to do the high juniors would do Children's.

[ThirdCharm]

Boy you guys are funny. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

I think the pix on that website look like the riders are getting the worst of it, don't y'all?

I, like many others, must get up early to abuse my horse.... will make sure if I fall off to yank on the reins extra hard, maybe grab an ear as I go by. :-)

JenniferS

[Phaxxton]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ThirdCharm:
Boy you guys are funny. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

I think the pix on that website look like the riders are getting the worst of it, don't y'all?

I, like many others, must get up early to abuse my horse.... will make sure if I fall off to yank on the reins extra hard, maybe grab an ear as I go by. :-)

JenniferS<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Please, please be sure to practice flipping your horse over. If we learned anything from those pics, it's that we have a long way to go to live up to our reputation of flipping horses over regularly. Please, go practice!

If dressage does not relax the horse, then it is not correct dressage. - RdL

[bounce]

My preliminary event horse (max stadium height 3'7")- regularly jumps 4'10" (courses in lessons at home.

Does he do that height at the event? No... because we are so careful with our horses... that after galloping around a couple of miles... doing what he loves, those big banks and water jumps ... we don't push them over big fences in stadium, so that they don't get hurt. Cruel, I know.

Do I waste my money at the jumper shows? No... because I like to jump my horse in balance, not running around like a maniac. Could he jump a clean course? Anyday!!! And I would no doubt jump a warm-up class at 4', and then go to the 4'9" classes.

By the way... there is no event in this country with a 10' bank! That is way over max!!

[Duramax]

Phew! I'm just back from robbing the convenience store of more beer and popcorn for us abusive hooligans!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Quick... someone help me peel this pantyhose off my head!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

[Phaxxton]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Duramax:
Phew! I'm just back from robbing the convenience store of more beer and popcorn for us abusive hooligans!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Quick... someone help me peel this pantyhose off my head!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Pass the beer, please! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

If dressage does not relax the horse, then it is not correct dressage. - RdL

[Mary in Area 1]

She went to the Manchester, VT show. The Summer Festival or something like that. She and her trainer went over to school some jumper rounds, just for practice. They just entered a few classes, not "divisions" and she wanted to do 3 classes within a short period of time. So she used the Children's/Adult class as a warm-up, then did the 4', then the high class as a test to see how her horse was doing. They were terrific and everybody wanted to know who they were and what her horse was. They laughed and drove home.

[JAGold]

So, eqnjumperrider, if you are so much smarter and more talented and richer and better than the rest of us, why do you care what we think?

The real world is going to be a pretty rough place if you don't lose the attitude. And I bet it is already catching up with you -- last time you made trouble on COTH, it was fun to hear what Gennifer had to say... You've made yourself look pretty darn bad with this new round of comments, and you don't know who noticed. But I can promise you that some people who now have every reason to think you are ignorant, abrasive, and conceited are the type of well-educated, sucessful, and well-connected people you'd rather have had on your side somewhere down the line. Congratulations on putting your best foot forward http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif --Jess

[eqnjumperrider]

JAGold- I never said I was better than the rest of you. But apparently I am not allowed to have an opinion on eventing. Oh, also, I am not sure who said that 10 foot banks aren't allowed is incorrect. I looked it up and they are allowed to be eleven feet. http://www.equestrian.org/2003RuleBook/rule-xvii.pdf
Anyhow, I need to get going. SOrry for all of you who are going to sit and stare at your computers on a friday night. That's a hoot. Oh yes, for Rowl, I am going to be going to a party in Rancho Santa Fake, I am betting they are better than your Wisconshit parties.

[Erin]

Sob.

I'm such a failure as an eventer.

I've been at this ~22 years, and I'VE NEVER FLIPPED A HORSE OVER!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Even worse, we've never come back from XC even slightly bloody. Well, except the time that I split my lip at a mini-event when my pony ran me under a tree branch when I was 8. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Please, please, someone help me before it's too late! Obviously, I went terribly terribly wrong somewhere. My first eventing pony was sound when he died at 35, and my prelim horse is still sound at 26.

What can I do?? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Quick, give me some pointers. How can I flip my horse over the 2'6" evil solid obstacles we'll be jumping tomorrow?

[eqnjumperrider]

Haha- 2'6 doesn't count. That's quite humorous, I hope you haven't flipped over one at that height.. That would be quite pathetic.

[abcdefg]

Wait wait wait..where is this 11ft bank?

[Phaxxton]

There's a difference between a well-informed opinion and an ignorant, defensive one.

If dressage does not relax the horse, then it is not correct dressage. - RdL

[eqnjumperrider]

It states that it is allowed in the link I posted before.

[bounce]

I have my rule book in hand, and it says "drops- advanced level, max=2.00m (6'7")

Perhaps you are reading the max "spread" without height?? That is 3.6m (11'10")

[Duramax]

Duramax is suffocating here people! *Must get panty hose off head-- can't breathe-- gasping for air* http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[bounce]

And in case you don't know... that would be a jump like your "liverpool"

[Phaxxton]

OMG Erin, you MUST PT me so I can help you with your no-cruelty/no horse flipping problem. Is there anyway you can trailer up to NY so I can help you out.

I'm so shocked that you have never successfull flipped your horse I'm willing to help you for nothing. Be sure to bring the harshest bit and be prepared to warm up in that cruel dressage frame and then to learn how to successfully flip your horse over a giant, solid jump. After you can flip him successfully, we will move on to the 11 foot banks.

I'm shocked you are so far behind.

If dressage does not relax the horse, then it is not correct dressage. - RdL

[eqnjumperrider]

Bounce, Liverpools can be up to 14 ft, and have generally a small rail over them, and if you hit the tape or the rail it counts as a fault.

[Phaxxton]

(helping Duramax get panyhose off head)

Geeze, these things are on pretty tight!... Maybe one of my event horse torturing devices will help.... (running to get them)

If dressage does not relax the horse, then it is not correct dressage. - RdL

[bounce]

Duh!! What does THAT have to do with anything??? The point was that 11' banks are NOT legal. You misread the rule book!!

[abcdefg]

Well for a second there I thought maybe I couldn't read...ya know...very uneducaTED. But unfortunately someone else...BOUNCE, luckily saved me from the humiliation thinking that 6'7 doesn't mean 11'.
Goodness....gracious. I'm still laughing hysterically at this whole topic.

[eqnjumperrider]

Ugh, Phaxxton, you're helping duramax get pantyhose off her head, you must be a dike.. GROSS.

[Erin]

Sorry Duramax, I was afraid to put my beer down to help you, I figured one of the other eventing yahoos would steal it. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[JAGold]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by eqnjumperrider:
JAGold- I never said I was better than the rest of you. But apparently I am not allowed to have an opinion on eventing. Oh, also, I am not sure who said that 10 foot banks aren't allowed is incorrect. I looked it up and they are allowed to be eleven feet. http://www.equestrian.org/2003RuleBook/rule-xvii.pdf
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh, for pete's sake. The maximum drop fence at advanced (which, brilliant one, is a down bank) is 2.0 meters, which is about 6.7 feet. Not 11 feet. Not even close. Check out Appendix 2. A ditch can be up to 11 feet, 10 inches wide -- which, as you should know, is still less than the length of the average horse's canter stride.

And sometimes what other people hear is more important than what you say. I hope you've had your fun for the night. The ability to piss people off, which is the only thing you've proven yourself an expert at on this forum, is not going to get you very far in life. I've been some of the places you'd like to go in life (like college...) and I promise you that no one out here has any respect for your know-it-all, superior tone. So either learn to communicate your opinions in such a way that people respect you and what you are saying, or get used to being automatically discredited and eventually unwelcome. --Jess

[Row Wisco, Row!]

Actually, my dear west-coast comrade, the midwest is quite lovely, and the best part is there is an abundance of cult-like eventer activity http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

We covered this on a previous thread, but I attended one of the Ivy League institutions you so lovingly bashed a while back for being "below you." JA Gold did too. In fact, she's also from the midwest (a native), and also forays into the madness of eventing. Remember her warning--people like us help with admissions of people like you! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

If you are really so interested to check out real estate in my locale (Are you thinking of joining the dark side? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif), you would be totally devastated to find out that your research has, yet again, yielded inaccurate results. I am currently inhabiting an apartment with 6 other people. You wouldn't want to touch it with a 1000 mile pole. We saw a mouse the other day! And guess what, there are only 3 digits in the price tag.

**In case you were still delusional about it, http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif NO, I DO NOT care how much money your PARENTS have banked, and I in no way envy you.**

Oh, sorry--I took the tangent approach on this one. Anyway, let's get down to business:

WHY THE DISGUSTING MADNESS, you ask? Because it allows me more money to burn destroying as many horses as possible--something you should really try more often. It also puts the cost of my superior education at $0. I'm actually MAKING money right now (are you?) That's scary, huh? You don't have to BUY an education! Best part of all: it has allowed me to reduce you to nothing, ignoramus.

Pretty cool, eh?

Guess what--this is really the kicker--you'll really love this--I am friends with farmers! Oh my god! That's, like, SOOOOOO gross! Huh? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif You know the best thing about famers? They work to get that milk on your table that your parents probably paid you to drink. (UN)luckily for them you took the milk (& the trust fund), or given the # of times you've fallen off you'd just be one big broekn pile of bones. That's when they decided to buy you uber fancy I-wish-I-knew-how-to-ride horses--to cut down on milk costs. You were depleting the bank unnecessarily, ya know? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

So, In Conclusion:
I'm taking a break from studying for my some board examinations, poppin' up some kettle corn-I like it a little salty, a little sweet--retapping the keg and getting one hell of a dose of comic relief from you. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif



That's a little about me, how about you?

To be great is to dare to rise above the sea of mediocrity and surround yourself by the elite... To be excellent is to never give in to the mental weakness or fear.

[bounce]

Yeah!!! There are at least 3 of us that can read now!!

I am still pretty new at this, but I think I might have to try the popcorn and beer!

[Phaxxton]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by eqnjumperrider:
Ugh, Phaxxton, you're helping duramax get pantyhose off her head, you must be a dike.. GROSS.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And you manage to successfully insult ANOTHER entire group of people in the world. Is there anyone besides yourself that you don't hate or misunderstand?

Prejudice is unbecoming.

If dressage does not relax the horse, then it is not correct dressage. - RdL

[eventrider]

If you will please look more closely at YOUR OWN link you will find the max height of a drop fence (same as a bank...but you know that..you jump them all the time right, without even flipping!) for the Advanced level is 6'7. Not sure how that adds up to 11 feet but math was never my strong suit. It is page 304 in case you would like to educate yourself.

[Erin]

*pop*

fizzzzzzzz

*hands beer to bounce*

You know what to do with it. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Erin]

OMG, now we're gay bashing. I'm NEVER going to get my tack clean at this rate! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

[Phaxxton]

CORRECTION PLEASE, ERIN!!!

SHE is gay bashing. WE are not gay bashing.

If dressage does not relax the horse, then it is not correct dressage. - RdL

[bounce]

gulp...

gulp...


gulp...

burrrrrp!

Thanks!

[eqnjumperrider]

Eww, that is, as you would say, "Like, sooooooo gross." Being sanitary is nice, I do have to say. Furthermore, I wouldn't want you to help me with admissions, that's what admissions counselors do. Furthermore, I have had an abundance of green horses, and yes, some horses that will jump around a big course. I am soooo sorry if I expect more out of like than you do with your 6 ppl in a shitty apartment. I guess everyone has different goals. I could kick your ass on any horse anyday, I swear http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. Lastly good for fucking you, you have no life. Go pop your kettle corn, get fatter, and have a ncie evening by yourself, or with a farmer or with your mice.

[Phaxxton]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by eqnjumperrider:
Eww, that is, as you would say, "Like, sooooooo gross." Being sanitary is nice, I do have to say. Furthermore, I wouldn't want you to help me with admissions, that's what admissions counselors do. Furthermore, I have had an abundance of green horses, and yes, some horses that will jump around a big course. I am soooo sorry if I expect more out of like than you do with your 6 ppl in a shitty apartment. I guess everyone has different goals. I could kick your ass on any horse anyday, I swear http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. Lastly good for fucking you, you have no life. Go pop your kettle corn, get fatter, and have a ncie evening by yourself, or with a farmer or with your mice.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm sorry, but does anyone else find her utterly hilarious?

I'm so glad I now know the point in life is not happiness - it's money. And being really, really impressed with myself.

If dressage does not relax the horse, then it is not correct dressage. - RdL

[bounce]

Does anyone else think she... it (???) just went WAY overboard?

No comment on your mistake with the rule book??

[abcdefg]

YAY! I went to an ivy league school where i was taught how to read. And you say that ivy leagues are below you??? Well then, where do you propose to go? Somewhere where they can teach you to misread and piss people off...well have fun wherever that is...somehow I hope it is in the depths of the congo.
I think you just made my night eqnjumprrider. YOu are an amazing kid with the world at your command. I hope you go far in life with your money and your arrogance. Do you actually type yourself.....or do you really pay one of your servants to type each response for you...it seems as if that would be your style.
I on the other hand, have to go to sleep. I bid the rest of you goodnight- and i hope this topic, in the morning has a hysterically funny ending and then is wisked off into the realms of cyber-trash.

[Phaxxton]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bounce:
Does anyone else think she... it (???) just went WAY overboard?

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

ME! But what would I know - I'm apparently not a "person of reasonable intelligence" and I also didn't now that helping someone who is suffocating makes you a lesbian. (Then again, I didn't know there was anything wrong with lesbians in the first place, so I must be really stupid) http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

And let me tell you, my boyfriend (NOT a horseperson) is rolling on the floor laughing his a$$ off.....

If dressage does not relax the horse, then it is not correct dressage. - RdL

[abcdefg]

AND PS...yes, i do think she just crossed the line.

[eqnjumperrider]

Ugh- Lesbo's are gross. Oh, yes, and flame me again for my opinion please.

[Phaxxton]

Once again, there are well-informed, intelligent opinions and ignorant ones.

If dressage does not relax the horse, then it is not correct dressage. - RdL

[Row Wisco, Row!]

Alas, you are also uneducated about the college admissions process. Jess and I read applications and get to pick who gets into those schools that you have berated. We have great troll sensing skills. You've helped us hone them especially well here on the BB. We'll be watching for ya!

I also just did some research of my own--A Rancho So Fake party for a HS student involves a 6 PM (PT) curfew. At that point all partakers must be snugly strapped into their straightjackets, and have their mouths duct taped shut. Their only allowable visitors are stuffed animals. Stop bidding your teddy bear to do your evil deeds. Get out of its head, stop making him post here, and save your tormented soul. Count some sheep instead.

FYI: Wisconsin is the #2 Party School in the nation, and #1 College Sports Town (Ask ESPN & SI) Madison has been ranked the #1 city in America more times on more lists than you can count. I bet my block's rockin' more than yours!

KEG STAND, ANYONE? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

We even do keg stands in public, at events! Such sin. (http://www.photoreflect.com/scripts/prsm.dll?eventorder?photo=00FD0064070038&start=0&album=0&adjust=-1)

To be great is to dare to rise above the sea of mediocrity and surround yourself by the elite... To be excellent is to never give in to the mental weakness or fear.

[eqnjumperrider]

Haha Phaxxton, I bet you have an ugly ass bf. Sucks to be you.

[eqnjumperrider]

Row Wisco, Row!
Just FYI if you look at cities rankings you will notice that on account of wealth and quality of living you will find RSF on most all of them.

[Phaxxton]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by eqnjumperrider:
Haha Phaxxton, I bet you have an ugly ass bf. Sucks to be you.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Grow up.

If dressage does not relax the horse, then it is not correct dressage. - RdL

[Phaxxton]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by eqnjumperrider:
Row Wisco, Row!
Just FYI if you look at cities rankings you will notice that on account of wealth and quality of living you will find RSF on most all of them.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Is money really that important to you?

If dressage does not relax the horse, then it is not correct dressage. - RdL

[Toadie's mom]

Cool, I didn't think I'd have anything to read when I got home tonight. I'm learning soooo much! I've come to the conclusion that since I'm from Texas, I must be a 1st class hick. Much more so than someone from the midwest. Oh how I wish I could live in some polluted, crowded, snobby state instead of the beautiful wide open spaces where I can gallop my event horse until he drops dead. Then all the H/J people will quit trying to buy him from me.
Oh, please excuse me, my mug is empty. Gotta go

[Phaxxton]

Oh, and FTR, it doesn't suck to be. I like being me.

But man does it suck to be my event horse - you know, because I'm so cruel to him. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

If dressage does not relax the horse, then it is not correct dressage. - RdL

[eqnjumperrider]

Toadie's mom, Texas isn't as bad as some areas of the midwest, you're fine.

[Phaxxton]

Toadie's Mom - you have her approval! Now you are whole! Don't you feel special?!

If dressage does not relax the horse, then it is not correct dressage. - RdL

[Toadie's mom]

Ohhhhh, she likes me, she really likes me!!!!!!!

[bounce]

Eqnjumperrider- When you are jumping those "almost 5' fences... how high in the air is your horse going when he clears them?

[Phaxxton]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bounce:
Eqnjumperrider- When you are jumping those "almost 5' fences... how high in the air is your horse going when he clears them?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's not fair - don't make her attempt math AGAIN....

If dressage does not relax the horse, then it is not correct dressage. - RdL

[eqnjumperrider]

Ok everyone, I need to go now. Being that it is a Friday night, and most people go out on Friday nights, apparently you all aren't aware of that. Anyway, Au Revoir. For those of you who are drinking beer I hope you at least get decent quality. If you want a different drink, go with a margarita with Don Julio, none of that Jose Cuervo tequila shit.

[Row Wisco, Row!]

It's NOT about wealth or quality of living.

It's about wealth of experience and quality of LIFE!

Midwest Eventing's where it's at!
http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

P.S. Don't you have a 'party' to be getting to?

To be great is to dare to rise above the sea of mediocrity and surround yourself by the elite... To be excellent is to never give in to the mental weakness or fear.

[Phaxxton]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by eqnjumperrider:
Ok everyone, I need to go now. Being that it is a Friday night, and most people go out on Friday nights, apparently you all aren't aware of that. Anyway, Au Revoir. For those of you who are drinking beer I hope you at least get decent quality. If you want a different drink, go with a margarita with Don Julio, none of that Jose Cuervo tequila shit.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Spoken like a true underage, high school drinker.

If dressage does not relax the horse, then it is not correct dressage. - RdL

[eqnjumperrider]

P.S. You could always go get some sushi and have saketini's too, those are really good.

[bounce]

Sorry... but I am snuggly at home with my husband and child. No better place to be... as you may someday learn. For now, you better go try to get arrested for underage drinking. Then you won't be posting here at least!

[eqnjumperrider]

I hope everyone has a good night. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[eqnjumperrider]

bounce, one would get arrested for a DUI, I am not that stupid. Thanks for your concern though. I don't drink and drive and endanger myself or other poeple.

[Phaxxton]

Alas, I must go snuggle into bed with my ugly ass boyfriend who will be very upset to find out that I am now a lesbian because I pulled panthose off a woman's head. But, even with my less than average intelligence, I know that if I am going to effectively abuse my event horse tomorrow then I need to get my rest.

Thanks for the beer, Erin. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

If dressage does not relax the horse, then it is not correct dressage. - RdL

[bounce]

Dear child... you can also get arrested for underage DRINKING. You don't have to be driving for it to be illegal! Didn't they teach you that in Sunday School??

[Phaxxton]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by eqnjumperrider:
bounce, one would get arrested for a DUI, I am not that stupid. Thanks for your concern though. I don't drink and drive and endanger myself or other poeple.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You can get arrested for underage drinking, too. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

And if you are oh-so-responsible why are you drinking underage anyway, when you aren't even aware of the rules?!

If dressage does not relax the horse, then it is not correct dressage. - RdL

[bounce]

Don't forget... she can't read the rule book, so she probably missed that law as well!

[Phaxxton]

Yeah, well her lack of math skills might be problematic when she tries counting up all her parents' money... But I guess no one ever bothered to write a rule book on being rich and arrogant, so we don't have to worry about that.

If dressage does not relax the horse, then it is not correct dressage. - RdL

[Phaxxton]

Goodnight all - Good luck to all of you who are going to attempt to flip your horses tomorrow.

If dressage does not relax the horse, then it is not correct dressage. - RdL

[Duramax]

Thanks for the quick rescue Phaxxton! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Now I can finally drink some of the contraband beer!

*slurppity slurp slurp slurp*

Anyone for some beer pong? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

[Phaxxton]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Duramax:
Thanks for the quick rescue Phaxxton! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Now I can finally drink some of the contraband beer!

*slurppity slurp slurp slurp*

Anyone for some beer pong? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You're welcome - I hope you did catch that we are now lesbians.... Apparently that's the price you pay for rescuing a friend in need!

If dressage does not relax the horse, then it is not correct dressage. - RdL

[Duramax]

http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif Yep, I caught that... not only are we ravaging horse abusers, we're lipstick lesbians who rob convience stores! Eventers are awesome!!! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

[Phaxxton]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Duramax:
http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif Yep, I caught that... not only are we ravaging horse abusers, we're lipstick lesbians who rob convience stores! Eventers are _awesome_!!! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Amen.

And on that note, goodnight! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

If dressage does not relax the horse, then it is not correct dressage. - RdL

[BigBayCow]

My God! I am laughing my ass off over here - this is so great!!

[Tootsie]

Thank you, thank you , thank you. This has been endless amounts of entertainment. My only regret is that I was not here for the drinking and only to read what was left over. When I think about people like her, I can't doing anything but laugh. And there is always my prayer for those in the riding world that get on my nerves. My all of their horses stop and the riders fall off, and my she fall off twice.

I would tell her to kiss my a**, however those activities might lead her to believe I could be that feared "lesbo" and have her run from me in fear, retching all over her designer dress(no honey, the dry cleaners cant get that out...)

And unfortunetly my other reply is not suitable to post on this board because there might be children present, her included.

I would join the rest in a late beer, however I must go to an event and abuse my horse tommorow....

"Event parties are all about adrenaline release, beer, loud music, and unacceptable behavior. Dancing on the table is strictly OK, as is climbing up the tent pole."-Denny Emerson

[Character]

Okay, I admit that I did not read all nine pages, but...living in Wisconsin, which was dissed on...page 2? Dont remember.
Out of lurkdom again...
Anyway, Ejumpr, to be that young where those kind of things made you feel good? Great. But there could very well come a time when it no longer matters. Here in
Boringold Wisconsin, we are not all heifers talking out of our a$$es. Instead, we take the road of "CLASS". This is why we probably seem boring. You see, celebrities of all types - films, music, sports etc, and "upper class" old money, not new, come here pretty quietly. No one talks about it to People magazine, because here in Wisconsin...we wouldnt do something like that. The fact is, that online we're all anonymous...and in Wisconsin, you are too.

[bigdreamer]

I didn't wanna post... but after reading the 9 pages, I just wanna say "I LOVE YOU MAN" to all the eventers in the world. Now I'm just gunna smile and "know".. and pray that I can meet all the people in the world that think we are abusive so i can smile and say "yeah, you know. you're soooooo right" and walk away... to drink some crappy beer and drive my crappy hick trailer with my half beaten horse all the way back to the *gasp* midwest to sit alone on a friday night.

ummm... hey, when were we allowed to use "the F word" on the BB??? I think a lot of those comments were waaaaaaay out of line and not acceptable... Rude and not appropriate for the BB more like it. This coming from a *gasp* 18 y.o. college student whose never had alcohol in her life... Imagine that, wait, what IS that? politeness? tactfulness? dignity? do they have that in the H/J world? Cuz I sure haven't seen any examples of it tonight... I think we should let her loose in the eventing world and let her get eattin alive. more so then she has already...
*sigh*
3 more years guys, then i can join you in the drinking. That way when I laugh as I sit home alone on a friday night- which BTW means i am having no fun and have no life since EVERYBODY goes out on friday nights...- watching my mare munch away on good hay as I eat my home grown salad *mind you, while longing to have some $$ sushi since it makes life that much better* and read ignorent childrens' posts, that the initial anger and frustration will subside that much quicker.
*wow*
I REALLY hope i'm still a blundering idiot that abuses my horse in 3 years so i can drink crappy bear, living in a hick town while regularly training my horse to hit jumps with their legs so we flip. Sounds like a grand ol' time.

since when did it matter where u lived? personally I'd rather be in the middle of nowhere living with my horse and staying home and watching her graze under the sunset on friday nights. And since when did it matter what your b/f looks like? or if you were a lesbian/gay? What happened to "what's on the inside"? Sounds kinda shallow... and I'd say that a lot of this isn't politicaly correct either. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif


*sigh* well, I love you guys! Thank God there aren't any like her in the eventing world. I will try not to post... you guys are doing quite an amusing job as it is- keep up the good work http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

*edited to add*
i want to know... what DOES eqnjumper know about training an event horse? do you understand the process and slow development and conditioning and training put into the horses? Do you understand dressage and what it does for the horse physicaly and mentally? When done correctly there is no "cranking" and there are no harsh bits used to "force them into a frame". we train our horses to listen to our seat and legs. imagine that. we barely have to touch the reins as the training progresses.
Try eventing. I dare you. I double, no, TRIPLE dog dare you to try it learn it, understand it... then come talk to us.

and yeah- don't complain about us bashing u if u came and bashed us first!


Someday we'll look back on all this and plow into a parked car.
http://eventingforlife.tripod.com/bahada/ ~the mares site

[This message was edited by bigdreamer on Sep. 27, 2003 at 02:54 AM.]

[eqnjumperrider]

Big Dreamer- A) your eventing pictures point out exactly what I am talking about. Now go and compare your stadium pictures to the pictures on mustphoto.com or BETTER YET, send them to the jumping clinic in PH and have GM critique them http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif. Then you will know what I am talking about. Anyway, for anyone who cares, I had a great night.

p.s. Big dreamer, before you call a person ignorant, learn how to spell the word http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[DizzyMagic]

It was actually fun, but after some time to reflect (and coming back to read her nastier posts), I believe I feel rather sorry for her. I've never encountered an unhappier person.

"It is not because things are difficult that we do not dare, it is because we do not dare that they are difficult" - Seneca

[DizzyMagic]

...and as for eventing in general and your criticism of bigdreamer, eqnjumperrider, she's right, you've got no credibility here. Jump big stadium fences all day long, but you won't be a rider in our eyes until you gallop a horse over real terrain and point them at real fences. That's the bottom line.

Now, it's probably time to equitate on back to the H/J forum.

"It is not because things are difficult that we do not dare, it is because we do not dare that they are difficult" - Seneca

[bounce]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Big dreamer, before you call a person ignorant, learn how to spell the word <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

THIS from someone who can't read or do math! You should check back eqnjumperrider... you had quite a few spelling mistakes as well. You should have stayed home and studied last night!

[Phaxxton]

*yawn*

*streeeeetccchhhhh*

'Mornin' all...

I, too, woke up feeling sad for the poor kid, but she's not my responsibility.

And besides, guys, she's perfect - remember? It doesn't matter if SHE has a typo or misspells a word - it only matters if WE do. And who needs math, anyway? She obviously doesn't know what the heck she's talking about, and doesn't even understand dressage. Last time I checked the good jumper riders (and, yes, I know many), all do basic dressage with their horses to keep them fit, supple, conditioned, and improve their jumping. Most seem to be trained through at least 1st level.

But I guess when I get home from abusing my horse this afternoon I'll have a long response about how wrong I am, how dressage and eventing are evil, and how wonderful it is to be the rich popular girl living off mommy and daddy's money.

And I won't care one ounce more. Because apparently none of us are as cool, rich, or smart as a little smart-a$$ high school student with a chip on her shoulder. While I do feel sorry for her, there comes a time where you have to learn to take some responsibility for yourself and your actions. If she thinks she's old enough to drink and use the f-word on the BB (and when, btw, did that become acceptable?!) the she should be old enough to fend for herself when the real world comes crashing down on her.

Anyway, my fellow eventers, it's been fun... but we can't save the world, and we sure as heck won't be able to save her.

Time to go abuse some horses.

I hope everyone who was showing this weekend reports back with great results!

*******

If dressage does not relax the horse, then it is not correct dressage. - RdL

[Row Wisco, Row!]

Hey Erin!

Good morning...How's your hangvoer? Still got some popcorn stuck in your teeth?

I'm pretty skanky from already milking my cows, but I just had to stop by and ask--

Does this little episode (coupled with the umpteen others) qualify her for the coveted 'incessant delusional troll' label under her name?! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

Just another way to honour her as '#1,' Ya Know?

To be great is to dare to rise above the sea of mediocrity and surround yourself by the elite... To be excellent is to never give in to the mental weakness or fear.

[This message was edited by Row Wisco, Row! on Sep. 27, 2003 at 09:30 AM.]

[marianne]

Just lurking-shame on all you old beer swilling ladies for picking on and baiting this poor 16 year old HP. Sure beats watching ESPN Sports Center for entertainment. So what are you guys going to start the day with? Beer or Mimosa or Bloody Mary's.

[bigdreamer]

hey eqnjumper. good morning.

so did u wake up AGAIN today and decide that you're going to try and convince over 13000 eventers that their sport is crazy and abusive and they should just drop everything and quit and haul everything out of the midwest into happy hunter land? Wow. I'm impressed. I think I'm just gunna go jump on the bandwagon and join ya'll. (can we say ya'll there? or is that illegal?)

hmmm... just an FYI eqn- that horse couldn't even be ridden by anyone but a professional over 1.5 years ago... she'd buck em all off... maybe anyone with the guts to try and prevent her from being sent to the packers just didn't have a good enough seat, but I guess I did. I trained her myself, and while she does need gymnastic work to get her leggies snapping up better over the jumps (which in some of those pics it was muddy out and her feet were simply sticking to the ground and i don't blame her for not picking them up very high...) I'm not complaining that i made a once abused "evil" horse into a very rideable quiet mare. *edited to say that she was abused by someone beating her into submission as a 2 y.o.... now she gets abused by being jumped over *gasp* solid objects*

o- and hey guys, at least my abusive pics of jumping my abused mare down a bank into the water are kinda pretty looking- that way i can frame them and have my abusive ways look kinda cool with sparkling water all around us! and look, the reins are taught- *gasp* that means theres NO release or anything! Though she did launch herself into the water when she's supposed to "drop" into the water, and the pics clearly show that- It was a lesson well learned and now we do drop in- at least at the last torture fest she did. it was like, we learned somthing from a past experience. weird.


If you look at any of those pictures, there is a release in each one... maybe you just can't tell, but my hands are following my horses head- an automatic release... ever heard of it? And please don't go insulting spelling, that is just being hypocritical (did i spell that one right? i'm not sure...) and pety.

well, i'm off to the barn, sorry I get to miss out on the fun! I bet this thread will be closed when i get back after the daily ritual riding abuse and feeding all 22 of em that get abused on a regular basis, since ya know, they are all eventers! *gasp* looks like i'll be spending my saturday night at the barn, too!

have a great day ya'll.

Someday we'll look back on all this and plow into a parked car.
http://eventingforlife.tripod.com/bahada/ ~the mares site

[This message was edited by bigdreamer on Sep. 27, 2003 at 10:02 AM.]

[fivebyfive]

Looks like the drinking needs to be started early today.
Canadian beer, anyone?

[rusti]

Leave it to eventers to turn some nasty sniping into great fun. That's why I love you guys! Well, that and the beer!

BUT, its very bad to feed the trolls. they really can't control themselves and besides, they'll get fat and not fit in their TS!

Serously, after reading Mary's post on the H/J forum it really didn't surprise me that someone would pop over here to take a shot at us. Maybe everyone should think BEFORE engaging their keyboard.

Check out Sfir's post on page ten of Mary's post over on the H/J board-Very well said and shows class and professionalism.

[Evalee Hunter]

Look at this:

http://www.actionforanimalsnetwork.org/japanesehorsejumping.htm

I picked this up off a thread posted by Spot on Off Course.

www.rougelandfarm.com (http://www.rougelandfarm.com) Home of TB stallion Alae Rouge, sire of our filly Rose, ribbon-winner on the line at Dressage at Devon.

[mademoiselle]

I have a few minutes, so let's play ...

I've you ever heard about Mark Todd ? He was one of this yahoos jumping 12' banks and flipping horses over ... Well, in 1992 he went to the Olympics in eventing and Jumping ... and he made it to the final 20 in jumping ...

I'm an eventer but before that when I was a Junior, I rode in the jumpers. And if you want to know, with the right horse and the guts, anybody can go around a 4'6 - 4'9 course, there is really nothing to brag about.
I've evented for almost 10 years and so far, I've never flipped a horse.
I know I should be ashame, nut I live in the Midwest and during the winter my eventing horses are doing the Jumpers at "A" shows in the Modified, so what is the point ?
At my barn, people (read H/J) are fighting to ride my horses. They say that they are all very well trained and very nice.
I've sold a bunch of my eventers to H/J people to do the Eq and the jumpers and they're currently winning at the A, AA, AAA shows.
I personally don't lunge my horses for horses, I don't drug them (never, not even bute), I jump once a week never more than that except at shows, I don't put some glass under their bandages, I don't poll them, I don't ride with crazy western twisted shank bits, and I feel that my horses are happy. If they don't like eventing and sometimes it happens, I sell them for dressage or jumpers because I don't want to hurt them or force them to do something they don't like.
If you want to talk about cruelty, then go the the PETA and stop owning horses ! Eventing, dressage, H/J everything can be cruel if it's not well done.
Go to an eventing show, one day just to educate yourself and you will be surprised !

Check my website if you want to be a good girl. You can rescue some horses from the horrible eventing world. Donations go from $6,000 to $30,000 !

"www.lechevalfrancais.com"

[GotSpots]

Thank goodness you came to help us Eqnjumpr. From your wisdom, I have seen the light, and I confess my sins:

I am an eventer. I hate scrubbing the white on my horse's socks and applying hoof oil, I never wear a hairnet, and I often belch in public. I am usually too stupid to know I am in over my head, and too dumbly brave and bull-headed to care as I careen down to enormous fences that my long-suffering and lovely horse routinely saves my arse over, while I cling perilously to the saddle, causing spectators to whisper hail marys and jump judges to radio ahead to have the EMTs prepared.

My dressage tests look like a barrel race without the extra equipment. My horse on good days flips his head and on bad days looks like he's an extra in a scene from Man From Snowy River. Judges thank me for not having run them over. Parents cover their children's ears to avoid the steady stream of ephithets leaking out between my gritted teeth.

Stadium is a jumble of poles. My horse flings himself wildly at distances, bucks in the corners, and eyes the crowd with wild eyes. If I get a lead change, it is blind good luck, coincidence of weight, balance, and, if I'm lucky, coordination of incompetence. If I see a distance, I run from it, or better, try to bash it with a stick.

But at the end of three days of mayhem, punctuated by my buddy's cooler full of drinks and caked on layers of dirt from sacking it out in my trailer for two nights, if I'm really lucky, I might get a 99 cent piece of ribbon. Sounds pretty good right about now. Hey Erin, want to pass me a beer? It's been along time since I was in Annapolis.

[WhatzUp]

Methinks eqnjumperrider protests too much !

I surmise she wants to be an Eventer !

Yours in sport,

Lynn

Founder of the Pinto Warmblood Clique

[Kachoo]

Dear, sweet Lord...

I'm from the H/J board, and you can rest assured in the knowledge that eqnjumperrider doesn't save her trolling for just you guys. Every now and again, she likes to start stirring things up within her own discipline. I have tangled with her myself. (http://chronicleforums.com/groupee/forums?a=tpc&s=6656094911&f=7076024331&m=80760114&r=65060914#65060914)

Eqnjumperrider...I'm actually embarrassed for you, and that usually only happens on three types of occasions:

1. When they have singing contests for normal people on the radio.

2. When my professors try to be cool (the other day, one busted out into an improv rap song about statistics, and I nearly had to leave the room). And finally,

3. When someone thinks she's proving a point and completely manages to miss the fact that she's making a complete horse's ass out of herself, and people are LAUGHING AT HER.

I'll leave it it up to you to figure out which of these three categories you fall into.

Also, I too would like to see some photographic evidence of you doing the high juniors. You've avoided addressing the people who've asked for that something like three times. It's my personal belief that people who really jump that high don't feel the need to hold it up and refer to it all the time, because it's not that big a deal to them, so I don't necessarily believe you but would be happy to reverse that opinion if you'd just flash a photo or two...

And with that, I return to the Motherland.

Cheers,
Susie
http://www.kachoom.com

"That's it! You people have stood in my way long enough. I'm going to clown college!" ~Homer Simpson

[bounce]

Nice to meet you Kachoo. You are welcome to the eventing board anytime from my point of view!